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Ford pardoned Nixon, not out of fear that Nixon’s cultish following would

Roam the streets violently, but because he thought the country needed to heal and the presidency would be diminished. He wasn’t intimidated by threats of violence into placing Nixon above the law.

People agree and disagree with his decision, but most agree Ford was trying to put country above personal ambition - he knew he’d be hurting his future political prospects.

Here, you seem to be advocating letting Trump slide because we’re afraid of the illegal violence his followers will reign down on us. That’s a terrible precedent to set. Our justice system can be intimidated into letting a criminal slide? What ever happened to “without fear or favor?”

There is no “rush to judgement” against Trump in our courts. It is unlikely we’ll have trials in any cases before the election, and when and if Trump is tried, he will have been publicly defending himself for months or years, he will enjoy full presumption of innocence in court, he will have the best legal defense he can gather, etc. It is anything but a rush to judgement.

NY, Atlanta, Florida, and DC all prepared for violent protests when Trump went to court for arraignments. In no case did they materialize. Which suggests your predictions about a Trump conviction are far from iron-clad, and in any event, a nation of laws pursues justice for all without fear or favor. I think we should prepare for the worst if convictions occur, and we have law enforcement resources to do that, but if we intend to emerge from the era of Trump as a nation of laws, we as a nation will not be intimidated into dropping actions for an alleged attempted coup. Or the other crimes with which Trump’s currently charged.
[Post edited by hoolstoptheheels at 08/21/2023 10:52AM]

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Posted: 08/21/2023 at 10:50AM

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At the risk of -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 8:41PM

Ford pardoned Nixon, not out of fear that Nixon’s cultish following would -- hoolstoptheheels 08/21/2023 10:50AM

The "rush to justice" referred... -- Casual Fan 08/21/2023 1:17PM

I think his odds of going to jail even if convicted of the most serious -- hoolstoptheheels 08/21/2023 1:48PM

You seem to be... -- Casual Fan 08/21/2023 7:21PM

Asking what? ** -- hoolstoptheheels 08/21/2023 11:03PM

I'm asking if any of the "perhaps"... -- Casual Fan 08/21/2023 11:12PM

I don’t see how I belittled anyone. -- hoolstoptheheels 08/22/2023 12:22AM

I think, and thought at the time, that Nixon should have faced legal -- Seattle .Hoo 08/20/2023 8:57PM

The HUGE difference is that the GOP turned on Nixon (link) -- Hoo TV 08/21/2023 08:57AM

Well, that whole post was obviously another swing and a miss for me... -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 9:05PM

Don’t see anything wrong with the direct responses to your post. -- 111Balz 08/21/2023 05:53AM

Obviously no one realized it at the time...but during the years after -- Tuckahokie 08/21/2023 06:24AM

I do remember that. As flawed as he was, he was a better man than trump ** -- 111Balz 08/21/2023 07:27AM

High bar there Balz ** -- Tuckahokie 08/21/2023 09:31AM

You new here?!?!? The 'Box doesn't do "thinky".** -- ResistHoo 08/20/2023 9:17PM

Then try saying what you mean. What was the OP about? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 08/20/2023 9:08PM

I said it once and I was censored......nm ** -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 9:10PM

??? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 08/20/2023 9:11PM

Here it is again..... -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 9:13PM

I recall. I still think it's a not so veiled call for violence. But you -- Seattle .Hoo 08/20/2023 9:16PM

It was off the board for 3 days. ** -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 9:18PM

Are you saying that board host removed it? On this board? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 08/20/2023 9:20PM

I'm saying it was off the board for three days...and -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 9:22PM

I thought you were predicting not calling for it. But I thought it had been -- 111Balz 08/21/2023 07:31AM

It does happen occasionally; I didn’t remember this case. -- southdenverhoo 08/20/2023 9:56PM

You are certainly entitled to your opinion -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 10:47PM

…and no one showed up at either of his arraignments to support him. -- Chuck Taylor 08/20/2023 11:03PM

Hey great! The word is out! -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 11:27PM

Oh well. And no idea what "off the board for three days" means. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 08/20/2023 9:23PM

Yeah "Oh well." -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 9:27PM

The only poster deranged enough to be "censored" on this board is hoothat. ** -- Blah 08/20/2023 10:28PM

Hey, I thought he was thrown off of all saber boards because of something t -- 111Balz 08/21/2023 07:46AM

Delete -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 10:39PM

Was intended for south denverhoo. Sorry.nm ** -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 10:43PM

You seem overly sensitive even while going out of your way -- Chuck Taylor 08/20/2023 9:59PM

Yep. Kinda weird. ** -- vwahoov 08/21/2023 08:36AM

Thanks Dad -- Casual Fan 08/20/2023 10:11PM

Unlike you, I'm not keeping count. So sorry for your censorship. LOL! ** -- Seattle .Hoo 08/20/2023 9:31PM

In fairness. He might have been censored -- BocaHoo91 08/20/2023 9:45PM

We should check in with Wembley -- Hoodeac 08/20/2023 10:26PM

You mean like this (link)? This entire thread is too funny. -- Blah 08/20/2023 10:32PM

Conventional wisdom is that Ford was right in pardoning Nixon and I have -- 81_Hokie 08/20/2023 8:46PM

Presidential pardons are almost not a good idea. -- Chuck Taylor 08/20/2023 10:12PM

Have you seen White House Plumbers yet? Justin Theroux absolutely steals it -- Seattle .Hoo 08/20/2023 9:00PM